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	<title>Comments on: IntelliJ IDEA 10 Released. New Decade of Evolution Ahead</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 08:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.jetbrains.com/idea/2010/12/intellij-idea-10-released-new-decade-of-evolution-ahead/#comment-242844</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 22:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So to paraphrase your position on the scrollbars.  "We decided to change it because we felt like it, we know that tons of users and platform style guides say that's very bad.  We don't care, you obviously don't understand what's good for you, we know better."

If I had a dollar for every stupid UI element ever dreamed up by arrogant programmers and foisted on users like it was a gift from the gods, I would be a very rich man.

Bottom line, you guys suck.  Have a nice time continuing to maim what was once the best Java development environment.

Done with you bozos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So to paraphrase your position on the scrollbars.  &#8220;We decided to change it because we felt like it, we know that tons of users and platform style guides say that&#8217;s very bad.  We don&#8217;t care, you obviously don&#8217;t understand what&#8217;s good for you, we know better.&#8221;</p>
<p>If I had a dollar for every stupid UI element ever dreamed up by arrogant programmers and foisted on users like it was a gift from the gods, I would be a very rich man.</p>
<p>Bottom line, you guys suck.  Have a nice time continuing to maim what was once the best Java development environment.</p>
<p>Done with you bozos.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Destremps</title>
		<link>http://blogs.jetbrains.com/idea/2010/12/intellij-idea-10-released-new-decade-of-evolution-ahead/#comment-235941</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Destremps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 07:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am now using AppCode to develop iPhone/iPad apps, and once again you've got those new scrollbars that are annoying as hell.  I have one huge file that I need to be able to finely control scrolling on.  Using my laptop, that's almost impossible without 1) scroll arrows at top and bottom and 2) a scroll thumb/elevator that is not so narrow.  I have to spend extra time putting my mouse PERFECTLY into that tiny little narrow width so I can click and drag the thumb.  However, like I said, on a big file, this does not give me fine enough control and makes standard scrolling very difficult.  Can't understand why JetBrains is so stubborn about this.  Most people want at least the option of having standard scrollbars back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am now using AppCode to develop iPhone/iPad apps, and once again you&#8217;ve got those new scrollbars that are annoying as hell.  I have one huge file that I need to be able to finely control scrolling on.  Using my laptop, that&#8217;s almost impossible without 1) scroll arrows at top and bottom and 2) a scroll thumb/elevator that is not so narrow.  I have to spend extra time putting my mouse PERFECTLY into that tiny little narrow width so I can click and drag the thumb.  However, like I said, on a big file, this does not give me fine enough control and makes standard scrolling very difficult.  Can&#8217;t understand why JetBrains is so stubborn about this.  Most people want at least the option of having standard scrollbars back.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.jetbrains.com/idea/2010/12/intellij-idea-10-released-new-decade-of-evolution-ahead/#comment-233358</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I've tried getting used to the new scrollbars.  I still don't like them.  If they just still included the arrows they wouldn't be so bad.  Would you consider that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I&#8217;ve tried getting used to the new scrollbars.  I still don&#8217;t like them.  If they just still included the arrows they wouldn&#8217;t be so bad.  Would you consider that?</p>
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		<title>By: ksafonov</title>
		<link>http://blogs.jetbrains.com/idea/2010/12/intellij-idea-10-released-new-decade-of-evolution-ahead/#comment-195194</link>
		<dc:creator>ksafonov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mackebrecht please check you have CFML support plugin enabled: File &#124; Settings &#124; Plugins, search for 'CFML Support'</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mackebrecht please check you have CFML support plugin enabled: File | Settings | Plugins, search for &#8216;CFML Support&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Mackebrecht</title>
		<link>http://blogs.jetbrains.com/idea/2010/12/intellij-idea-10-released-new-decade-of-evolution-ahead/#comment-195188</link>
		<dc:creator>Mackebrecht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 15:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>where is coldfusion in 10.5.2 ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>where is coldfusion in 10.5.2 ?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Shapiro</title>
		<link>http://blogs.jetbrains.com/idea/2010/12/intellij-idea-10-released-new-decade-of-evolution-ahead/#comment-188902</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Shapiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a long time Java programmer (I worked on the Cafe team at Symantec eons ago) and am just getting back into it after a while away. I was looking forward to trying out IntelliJ again since it's been so long, and I've been very impressed overall with the feature set, performance, etc. But the first thing I noticed was the non-standard scrollbars.. and I asked my coworkers how to change it, and heard that there wasn't a way to do this.

I figured that's ridiculous, of course there's a way to get the real platform look in a modern Java app. Imagine my surprise to find out that not only is there no way to do this, but this is the implementor's intended behavior and there's no way to convince the implementor to change it back.

I don't buy the argument that it's hard to change the code.. are you saying you render the scrollbar directly instead of using a collection of graphic assets, as is typically used to implement a platform UI?

For what it's worth, here's another vote to have an option to put back platform appropriate scroll bar graphics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a long time Java programmer (I worked on the Cafe team at Symantec eons ago) and am just getting back into it after a while away. I was looking forward to trying out IntelliJ again since it&#8217;s been so long, and I&#8217;ve been very impressed overall with the feature set, performance, etc. But the first thing I noticed was the non-standard scrollbars.. and I asked my coworkers how to change it, and heard that there wasn&#8217;t a way to do this.</p>
<p>I figured that&#8217;s ridiculous, of course there&#8217;s a way to get the real platform look in a modern Java app. Imagine my surprise to find out that not only is there no way to do this, but this is the implementor&#8217;s intended behavior and there&#8217;s no way to convince the implementor to change it back.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t buy the argument that it&#8217;s hard to change the code.. are you saying you render the scrollbar directly instead of using a collection of graphic assets, as is typically used to implement a platform UI?</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, here&#8217;s another vote to have an option to put back platform appropriate scroll bar graphics.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ Jackson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.jetbrains.com/idea/2010/12/intellij-idea-10-released-new-decade-of-evolution-ahead/#comment-188806</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 21:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just downloaded the community version of IDEA 10 to see if I wanted to buy the upgrade and am immediately disappointed with the new scroll bars in the editor panes.  Very frustrating to say the least - really missing the up and down arrows to scroll thru code line by line without changing the line focus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just downloaded the community version of IDEA 10 to see if I wanted to buy the upgrade and am immediately disappointed with the new scroll bars in the editor panes.  Very frustrating to say the least - really missing the up and down arrows to scroll thru code line by line without changing the line focus.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Destremps</title>
		<link>http://blogs.jetbrains.com/idea/2010/12/intellij-idea-10-released-new-decade-of-evolution-ahead/#comment-179726</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Destremps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 18:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JetBrains' official response to me by email regarding the scroll bar was that if I wanted to, I could get a full refund by contacting their sales department.  Baffling and disappointing.  I, like John, have recommended IntelliJ many times to many people.  But I'm probably going to stop doing that for obvious reasons.  I continue to use it every day.  But I still hate the scroll bar.  

How you decided that combining a multicolored status indicator with something as fundamental and commonly used as a scroll bar is beyond me.  Not only that, but you REMOVED the scroll arrows, making single line code review on a laptop impossible unless you TRAIN yourself to do the new "JetBrains Way" (using control-down arrow).

I am not your lab rat.  Don't force me to retrain myself to use your new failed experiments when a the rest of the entire planet is using STANDARD scroll bars for the same task.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JetBrains&#8217; official response to me by email regarding the scroll bar was that if I wanted to, I could get a full refund by contacting their sales department.  Baffling and disappointing.  I, like John, have recommended IntelliJ many times to many people.  But I&#8217;m probably going to stop doing that for obvious reasons.  I continue to use it every day.  But I still hate the scroll bar.  </p>
<p>How you decided that combining a multicolored status indicator with something as fundamental and commonly used as a scroll bar is beyond me.  Not only that, but you REMOVED the scroll arrows, making single line code review on a laptop impossible unless you TRAIN yourself to do the new &#8220;JetBrains Way&#8221; (using control-down arrow).</p>
<p>I am not your lab rat.  Don&#8217;t force me to retrain myself to use your new failed experiments when a the rest of the entire planet is using STANDARD scroll bars for the same task.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://blogs.jetbrains.com/idea/2010/12/intellij-idea-10-released-new-decade-of-evolution-ahead/#comment-179711</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 05:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yole,

I actually quite like the new scrollbars, but I find your attitude in this matter and JetBrains's apparent disregard for its customers to be a disturbing development.  I have recommended IntelliJ to dozens of friends and colleagues, and I am personally responsible for my employer's decision to purchase upwards of 100 IntelliJ licenses.  I have always been very satisfied with JetBrains products and have been a firm believer in the company's vision for nearly a decade.

Your conduct regarding this scrollbar issue is the first negative experience I have ever had interacting with JetBrains or its products.  The way you have treated my fellow customers is frankly appalling.  It may not mean much to your business, and judging by the stock you put in other's opinions it will certainly mean little to you, but I am so turned off by what I have read in this thread, that I am seriously questioning whether I want to be associated with you or continue to do business with a company who would choose to have you as a representative.

It would be great if you did something to address your users' concerns.  Barring that, it would be considerate if you declined to do so by explaining why your users' needs were not a high priority.  But if even that is too much to ask, the very least you could do is apologize for being a prick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yole,</p>
<p>I actually quite like the new scrollbars, but I find your attitude in this matter and JetBrains&#8217;s apparent disregard for its customers to be a disturbing development.  I have recommended IntelliJ to dozens of friends and colleagues, and I am personally responsible for my employer&#8217;s decision to purchase upwards of 100 IntelliJ licenses.  I have always been very satisfied with JetBrains products and have been a firm believer in the company&#8217;s vision for nearly a decade.</p>
<p>Your conduct regarding this scrollbar issue is the first negative experience I have ever had interacting with JetBrains or its products.  The way you have treated my fellow customers is frankly appalling.  It may not mean much to your business, and judging by the stock you put in other&#8217;s opinions it will certainly mean little to you, but I am so turned off by what I have read in this thread, that I am seriously questioning whether I want to be associated with you or continue to do business with a company who would choose to have you as a representative.</p>
<p>It would be great if you did something to address your users&#8217; concerns.  Barring that, it would be considerate if you declined to do so by explaining why your users&#8217; needs were not a high priority.  But if even that is too much to ask, the very least you could do is apologize for being a prick.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.jetbrains.com/idea/2010/12/intellij-idea-10-released-new-decade-of-evolution-ahead/#comment-179663</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 14:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've purchased and have been using version 10 for a few months now and I am still constantly running into problems using the new scrollbars.  So much so that I figured there must be a way to turn them off and use "old" style scrollbars.  When I found this thread and JetBrains complete disregard for user feedback as "not logical" I was shocked.  It seems you are more interested in forcing a usage style on your users rather than taking a step back and realizing that something you implemented doesn't really work as well as you may have thought.  Everyone has pointed out the difficulties with the scrollbars already so I won't repeat them.

You seem to point to the users as the problem with your new feature, but with so many people expressing difficulties with a "feature", maybe you should put some work into offering an option to turn it off instead of all the work you are putting into creating FAQs and trying to talk everyone into how awesome it is.

Please provide an option to use "old" style scrollbars.  I won't make it my mission to get you to give your users the option, I will just go somewhere else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve purchased and have been using version 10 for a few months now and I am still constantly running into problems using the new scrollbars.  So much so that I figured there must be a way to turn them off and use &#8220;old&#8221; style scrollbars.  When I found this thread and JetBrains complete disregard for user feedback as &#8220;not logical&#8221; I was shocked.  It seems you are more interested in forcing a usage style on your users rather than taking a step back and realizing that something you implemented doesn&#8217;t really work as well as you may have thought.  Everyone has pointed out the difficulties with the scrollbars already so I won&#8217;t repeat them.</p>
<p>You seem to point to the users as the problem with your new feature, but with so many people expressing difficulties with a &#8220;feature&#8221;, maybe you should put some work into offering an option to turn it off instead of all the work you are putting into creating FAQs and trying to talk everyone into how awesome it is.</p>
<p>Please provide an option to use &#8220;old&#8221; style scrollbars.  I won&#8217;t make it my mission to get you to give your users the option, I will just go somewhere else.</p>
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